1995-08-15: The Land Downunder: The Life of Virginia's Caves (part 1)
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Vol. III, No. XXXIII
Transcription: Ashbrook (SVCC) Rogers (VXI) Shelton (CVC) Tease The Land Downunder: With Good Reason Vol. III, No. XXXIII The Life of Virginia's Caves Today on With Good Reason, we go under the mountain and then scale to the top as we look at Virginia's caves and the rugged majesty of its highest peak. I'm your host, Carolyn Elliott. Music Background It was a strange moment -- to say the least -- on February 28th of this year for drivers travelling on I-81 in Southwest, Virginia. Suddenly a large part of the road dropped down into the depths below. The cave-in, which was near the Dixie Caverns exit on the interstate, was created when a sinkhole opened up into one of the Blue Ridge's hidden caves. Virginia is filled with such caverns, inaccessible until conditions in the. state's topography shift enough to create a portal into the living world below. Many caves in the Blue Ridge are in Karst topography, or areas of limestone that water has been slowly eroding for centuries forming thousand of miles of unexplored passages. Rogers And we're still in the cave finding, I would say, portion of our history. In Bu.rope, most caves have been located. They do find the occasional new one here and there but we're still finding new caves. Sometimes sinkholes appear. Sometimes we intersect caves in our man-made projects. Gary Rogers is an assistant professor of engineering from Virginia Military Institute, and an expert on caves in Virginia. Joining him for our discussion of the hidden treasures in Virginia's caves is Craig Ashbrook, professor of environmental management at Southwest Virginia Conmunity College. INTERVIEW Elliott Gentlemen, welcome. Craig Ashbrook, how many caves are there in Virginia? Ashbrook One count shows around 2,300 caves with many of the caves that were looked at weren't really counted because of their length. Maybe 20, 30 feet long, so there's an estimate now I think of somewhere--between 500 and 1,000 other caves that 1 actually didn't get included in the original count of 2,300. Rogers For every cave you see, there's probably ten you don't see. Most of the caves out there are not heavily formated. Most are fairly bleak, have large blocks of rock termed "breakdown" throughout them, and we probably wouldn't pay money to see them. Elliott Well, Gary Rogers, you explore caves for work and also for hobby, why do you find caves intriguing? Rogers I would say it brings out the explorer in me. I've always liked to hike. I've liked to look around that next bend in the road overtop the next crest of the hill, and caves have lots of bends. There's the history aspect of it. When I was younger, and I've been caving since the mid-'70s, salt-peter mining during the revolutionary and civil war, I was always fascinated by that. The hoppers and what not used to extract the potassium nitrate for making gunpowder. There's also the peace, the solitude, I even like the smell of the damp clay and mud and certainly you don't have to like mud to be a caver but it helps if you form a liking to that substance. Elliott Craig Ashbrook. Ashbrook Well, the formations themselves probably were one of the things I got caught up with. The formation of things called "soda straws" and "helictites," things of that nature that can be not only very beautiful but also unusual. Helictites seem to defy the law of gravity and grow in all different directions. Just literally hundreds of different types of not only formations but mineral concentrations within the cave. The study of fossils. You can go into a lot of the limestone caves here and find fossils of different varieties, depending on the age of the rock. Elliott Well, let's talk a little about the formated caves. Virginia, particularly along Skyline Drive on the Blue Ridge Parkway has caves that attract millions of visitors a year. There's Grand Caverns, which was discovered in 1804 and is near Harrisonburg, and Luray Caverns. Both are famous for some spectacular formations and brilliant colors. Craig Ashbrook, what causes the beauty of those caves? Ashbrook The solution of limestone takes place and then redeposits inside the cave as water evaporates, leaving calcite in 2 spectacular forms, dripstone and flowstone. Sometimes multicolored, depending on the type of minerals that are included with the water as they redeposit inside the cave. Elliott So the colors are actually from mineral pigments that are leached out as the water seeps through? Ashbrook Yes, it could be iron, it may give it a light, rust color or it could be just pure calcite which would be white or clear. And then you could get into some exotic mineral colors in other parts of the world but here we've got some really nice calcite deposits. Elliott Gary, what's the difference between a "stalactite" and a "stalagmite"? Rogers Stalactites are formed from the ceiling or the top of the caves. Stalagmites are the drip at the bottom below the stalactite. Elliott Well now in Virginia there's anthodite, have I got that right? crystal? Professor Ashbrook. Ashbrook also something called an Some kind of sparkling Anthodite is a collective term. Typically, an anthodite is composed mostly of calcite. It's really, I don't know whether people know what aragonite is, it's a type of calcite deposit. Elliott Tell us what we're looking at in the cave to identify these things. Ashbrook These would be needle-shaped or flower-shaped types of formations that extend from possibly other formations. They can be composed of gypsum. These things are very, very delicate and are very, very beautiful. Elliott For those people who are planning on visiting some of these caves, there have been problems in the major parks with the amount of tourists going through damaging the cave. Ashbrook Yes that's true. As tourists enter the cave they take with them spores and even seeds and things of that nature and the 3 lighting in the cave will allow these things, once they fall off of the tourists clothing, these things will grow and can actually destroy the formations that are in the cave. Elliott What kind of spores are they bringing in? Ashbrook They would probably take in something like spores from mosses and things of that nature which would actually get deposited and grow in a very humid climate like a cave actually is in this part of the country. Elliott And what kind of damage would that cause? Ashbrook Well actually it destroys the formation. The calcite begins to break down and the formations can literally die and when they die they dry up and can crumble. Rogers We forget sometimes that unlike cutting a tree that the stalactite or stalagmite does take this extremely long period of development. If they are damaged or broken, it may continue, it may continue in a different fashion, or it may not. As you visit a cave, one of the conunon echoed cautions is "Please do not touch the speleothem. Your hands have oils on them. You may put a little bit of oil on that speleothem. The water may flow around that patch of oil. You can effectively kill what is considered a living thing. I think of the number of pools I've seen, typically near the end of a tourist cave, that have become wishing wells. People tossing pennies and coins in and the management sometimes encourages this practice. This has to be detrimental to the cave waters as much or more than just constructing the pathways. Ashbrook I think tourists don't realize if they throw pennies in a pool somewhere that the copper can actually leech out in the water and bring up the toxicity levels of the water to the point that any biota in the water would be killed. Elliott If that cave ecosystem is disrupted, does it just destroy that ecosystem or does it also have a larger impact? Ashbrook It can have a larger impact. If you look at the drainage system within karat regions or regions that caves occur, you will find that groundwater drainage can be extensive and in many cases if you've damaged an ecosystem within a cave at a particular 4 location, the water that flows through that system can go on even farther and do more damage later on. It may be a source of drinking water for people somewhere down drainage and they can end up literally contaminating the water and not really realize that they've done that. Rogers It's hard to conceptualize at times. When you pour water on a bar of soap it doesn't go through it, it goes around the outside edges. Those edges are like the cracks, the joints in limestone. Limestone is fairly impervious. Water doesn't flow through it very readily. But it does flow very readily through the solution channels, the joints and fissures that make up the karstic geology, these sub-surface rock mass. And it can flow a long way. And we are just now coming to grips with how far through the results of researchers and dye-tracing, et cetera. Blliott How far the water from the cave actually goes? Rogers Actually goes, exactly. Blliott What's been the furthest that it's been traced in Virginia? Ashbrook The dye-tracing that's been done in Virginia that I'm familiar with would run anywhere from one or two miles up to about eight miles. Unfortunately, people don't realize that if they throw something in a sinkhole here, it can damage water five miles away, but it certainly can. Rogers And fairly quickly, the response time to dye-tracing can be slow but it also can be very rapid. , Blliott Well we seem to be indicating that this is a very delicate ecosystem. Let's talk about that a little bit. What makes the cave ecosystem delicate and what makes it important? Rogers Let's look at what exists in a cave just off the top of our heads here. We have what most people think about: (Blliott: bats) bats of the various species that have their own series of maligned faults that go with them. Bats are fairly harmless, they're wonderful, small mammals that we don't know a lot about but we're learning more about them. Elliott Important for insect control. 5 Rogers Yes, yes. It's important, for wild caves, not to visit caves with populations in the winter months, from October until about May. People are prone to do this, to touch a bat or perhaps make it drop off the rock. This effectively kills the bat when they're not active as they are in the rest of the year. Ashbrook Bats are true hibernating animals. You bring them out of hibernation, the first thing they want to do is go eat. There's nothing for them to eat in the wintertime so they would die. Elliott There are a lot of protected or endangered species that live in caves, a certain type of mussel. And there was a controversy in Lee County, which is in the very far, Southwest most part of Virginia, and they were concerned that if they built an airport the building around the airport, particularly of gas stations, which causes you to sink these underground storage tanks for gasoline, would affect the isopods. How important are protecting tiny organisms like this? This is a small organism, almost microscopic, looks almost like a grain of rice. Ashbrook Well what happens is you start to break down the food chain within the cave and once one level of hierarchy is broken, then the others above begin to crumble as well. Unfortunately people don't realize that when you put tanks of petroleum in the ground they can destroy not only the isopods but everything else with it if the tanks begin to leak. Elliott And this is an area that you've researched, underground storage tanks. Ashbrook We've had situations where monitoring wells were literally drilled through cave systems to monitor for leaky underground storage tanks and the tanks were leaking and the leechate from the tanks literally ran down the well casing into the cave system and has effectively killed the cave. I'm not sure that you can ever clean something like that up. Rogers It's extremely difficult. The current law mandates that all subsurface tanks have extensive liner systems and ways to monitor but it is very difficult to make a liner totally impervious. There is almost always some leakage. Elliott I want to get back to the tourist who are going to caves that are not the large attractive caves like Luray and Grand 6 Caverns but the smaller caves. People who are interested in spelunking into small caverns. Rogers The "wild" caves. Elliott The wild caves. And Gary Rogers, you've done a lot of work spelunking and also researching these caves. What are some of the things that tourists in the summer who go explore and find one of these caves, what are some of the precautions and laws that they need to follow? Rogers You should never cave alone. You should go in a group, two, three, four, is a nice size. Again, have an idea of what type of cave it is. The personal protection, coveralls, gloves, three sources of light, proper shoes. Not tennis shoes. Something with lug soles is usually recommended. And to let somebody know where you are going and when you're going to be back. Learn how best to dress. Caves typically range in temperature from 50-60 degrees. It is a hostile environment by itself. Elliott Because of the temperature it's a hostile environment? Rogers Because of the temperature. Elliott Is that dangerous? Can you get hypothennia? Rogers Hypothermia, exactly. One of the fears of getting lost and not moving is to die from hypothermia. A person should have an idea of what type of cave it is. Is it a fairly horizontal cave with a large passageway? Is it a cave with vertical drops that you can come upon suddenly? And caves change, as we noted before. Again, the current cave I'm researching, on my last trip I noticed a vertical joint that had opened up from waterflow that was not there the previous trip. Elliott Really? How far apart were the trips? Rogers The trips were less than a month apart. The joint that opened up was in a clay floor that was sort of sticky, like the bottom of a drying pond and the joint probably extended 15-20 feet in depth and was large enough to ... Elliott 7 Swallow you up? Rogers Let two or three people drop in, yes. Elliott Craig Ashbrook, where is the best cave in Virginia for spelunking? Ashbrook The best cave, to me, is a cave in Russell County, Virginia called "Smith's Drop". It's about a hundred feet to the bottom and unless you're really well endowed with working on rope, I wouldn't advise going in it. That's the reason it's so beautiful, so spectacular, is because it's untouched. The cave is not that long, it's about a mile in length, but otherwise the formations would rival any formation at any commercial cave you could find in Virginia. Elliott Gary Rogers? Rogers I suppose my favorite cave is one that no longer exists. It was filled with aragonite crystals and formations so extensive that you could not walk through the cave without unfortunately damaging some of the formations. And the only way I could justify doing the exploration was I doing research on a landslide and the cave was a factor in the landslide. It was the most heavily formated cave I've ever been in. Unfortunately the land owner had the full right, as he was doing, to excavate the material for production, dolomite. The cave was spectacular. Multi-level stalactites, stalagmites. It was a shame to see it go, but on the other hand we do need the progress, we do need the minerals. Elliott I want to end with talking very briefly, Craig Ashbrook, if you could very briefly run over the cave laws because there are laws regulating what you can and can't do in these caves and the way that you have to get into them if it's not a commercial cave. Ashbrook Yeah, the Virginia Cave Laws were passed approximately 15 years ago in an effort to protect the cave ecosystem itself. I think the caver in general and the tourists should realize that caves are protected by law. The formations are protected. Even the surface landforms such as sinkholes are protected under this law and they should make themselves aware of the details of it. The fines can be very heavy in some cases. Particularly if you're in a national park like Mammoth Cave National Park, we get into federal problems with those. 8 Elliott It's up to $5,000 in Virginia for doing something with one of those anthodites. Ashbrook Yeah, you can get pretty hefty fines smacked on you for damaging those things because they are very delicate and they are also very rare. Elliott Alright. Gentlemen, thank you very much for joining me on With Good Reason. Rogers Thank you for the invitation. Ashbrook Thank you. Music-Pipe Organ (America the Beautiful) BRIDGE We're listening to "America the Beautiful" performed on the organ engineered using stalactites and stalagmites at Luray Caverns. Virginia has seven tourist caves, most are open year-round for more information, call the Virginia Department of Tourism at 804- 786-4484. This is With Good Reason, I'm your host, Carolyn Elliott. |
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